With a widely anticipated new single hitting that there t’internet, we’re thrilled to have caught up with MICHIE for an extensive chinwag.
TSoFDs: Thanks for speaking to us. What have you been up to since your last album release?
MICHIE: Well… I began under a different moniker a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away as “The John Michie Collective.” I didn’t choose the name, but it eventually pissed me off enough to switch to just my surname in big caps, “MICHIE,” for this new set of releases. Additionally, there have been significant changes since around 2020. I reflected extensively on the shortcomings in my mixes for “High Vibrations.” There were numerous issues, such as a poor-quality microphone and inadequately mixed drums, as my understanding of mixing was simply amateur. I was constantly battling against subpar equipment throughout the process. While the debut has its merits… like some people absolutely love it… and it did allow me to carve out a little space for myself in the underground indie scene… I view it more as a learning project with some standout songs. Since then… well covid happened… I also dedicated myself to self-improvement and honing my skills, addressing all the weaknesses in my equipment. The delay is partially due to financial constraints; this is not an inexpensive hobby. Did a little collab with two mates under the name “The Roundlakes.” However, it also provided ample time for me to watch reruns of Heartbeat waiting for everything to align.
TSoFDs: Excellent. What would you say has been the biggest upgrade equipment wise and what do you think has been the major improvement in your mixing ability? Also, who is your favourite character in Heartbeat (chortle)?
MICHIE: Well, it has to be P.C. Alf Ventress as he was abducted by aliens in one of the episodes. Bloody hilarious as he spends the rest of the show sitting on his arse smoking cigarettes… Someone at ITV must have wanted to capitalise on that Roswell autopsy video that came out the same year. My biggest improvement in mixing is around the vocals, drums, reverb and panning. I am still not there yet but I know I have made inroads. It think it will likely be another album of struggle before I get to where I want to be. As for equipment… I can sit here and talk about the guitars or mic I have picked up… and I did pick up some nice gear, but the most important element in any bedroom music production setup is the computer. I had to save up for a Mac Studio, and that took a long while as they aren’t cheap. I spent a shitload of cash in that two-to-three-year gap… but kinda marks where a hobby turned a little more serious. I kinda write while the project is open, so every song arrives in a non-linear fashion. Do a little here and there until you have a picture. It’s maybe why my songs are a bit all over the place. Thankfully someone created the psych genre to make it acceptable. That in-between gap of saving for the new computer meant I really couldn’t write any songs. I kinda spent a whole year messing around a little, but it did allow me to cement some relationships that I had made on what was “music Twitter.”
TSoFDs: Music Twitter. What’s your relationship with social media? Has it been mainly positive regarding getting heard or has it come with drawbacks?
MICHIE: Well, everything was fine and dandy before Elon Musk began selling bin juice as champagne. There was a core group of people interested in music, and we could all see each other. There was a vibe. It is fair to say the pandemic created that space. I had to shift over to Bluesky Social because, well, you know. This has caused some issues as the site is not fully open and lacks basic features. It’s one of the reasons my album “Explore” is out in 2025 and not now even though it is fully done. The old community seems to be split between 4-5 different platforms. Shame on those of you still on Twitter. I am calling you out—yes, you. I guess Threads is where I should also be, but the thought of “Meta” in general makes me want to get a lobotomy and listen to Michael Bolton. I feel the people on Threads are only there because they don’t like the idea of starting from scratch. They want those likes, but I’d say you already know those guys, and it’s kind of letting an opportunity slide to expand your circle. I feel if you release, they will find it anyway. I am placing my money on Bluesky being the go-to place in the end as it is essentially old Twitter. There is a level of decency that seems to be present, which is good to see, and they are doing due diligence on building the site. No adverts, and you can build your own timelines. At some point, that will gain traction—it’s just so fucking slow watching them build it. In terms of getting heard and using social media, well, that is a game, isn’t it? You are making content not for yourself or your music but to sell adverts these sites are placing. That is the game. I think I am a bit too old to be messing around like that. What am I going to do? One of those videos of me playing guitar… come on guys every fucker who can play Wonderwall is doing that… how does that make you stand out? But I guess that is a little better than the guys daily shoving a link up in hope someone will click on it. I use social media as a place to connect with people and talk. That is how I promote. I rarely talk politics, sex or religion unless asked… kinda means you are less likely to offend anyone. I feel people will eventually give your catalogue a listen if they are interested in you.
TSoFDs: You’ve stated the new album is a step up in terms of production values, has there been a noticeable shift with regards the songwriting too?
MICHIE: Err, nope… I have a method of writing songs, which is music first and then the lyrics. I grasp the basic feel of what is happening and then determine how many syllables fit that part. Afterward, I write down as many sentences as possible that fit that… then weave a story together. I have no idea how people write lyrics first then music. That is some kind of voodoo nonsense. The song can then get gutted and rearranged as I get into the production stages. I dislike the lyrics part, if I’m honest, mainly because it is always a bottleneck in my process. Primarily, as I am not a wordsmith. I am not an avid reader of books. I have literally only read about ten fiction books in my life. My brain has trouble processing text in general. It may seem a bit weird as I write for a music blog, but I am not great with English. Everything with me is sound and images. One thing I am conscious of is that when I write an album, I do want ten songs that have lyrics on them. I don’t know why. It is kind of irrational, as my favourite band, Pink Floyd, released a lot of instrumental works on their best albums. But for me, I do kind of feel it isn’t an album unless it has that. I don’t set out to write an overarching narrative and I also don’t care if the songs work together. Just write the material and get it up to scratch. Shuffle play and see how it all comes together is my process.
TSoFDs: That seems to be a lot of songwriters’ approach. However, like Zappa, who stated he began to sing/write lyrics because that’s what’s expected from a band, you seem similarly uninterested in words. Did you ever consider just writing instrumentals or does it feel compositionally like your voice needs to be there so you do it intuitively?
MICHIE: I believe it depends on the genre maybe? I have created an ambient/noise record under my old moniker titled “Toward The Rainbow.” It is certainly not everyone’s cup of tea and can be described as a challenging listen. Personally, I appreciate it as it allowed me to experiment with freedom and explore the possibilities within a DAW. I didn’t mind whether anyone listened to it. It was inspired by a Brian Eno documentary, I saw him manipulating settings in Logic that were new to me so I kinda thought “ahh what is the guy messing with?” While my finished product is by no means an “Apollo,” there are some sounds on that record that I have no idea how I created. Ultimately, classic rock ‘n’ roll is at the core of my musical identity. Although I have an incredibly broad taste in music, when I entered the realm of transforming sound into a polished product, I carried with me a desire to emulate classic albums that moulded me during my childhood… whether by The Beatles, John Martyn etc. I appreciate The Chemical Brothers, but their impactful tracks feature lyrics. While my musical tastes are wide, I have an underlying belief that rock ‘n’ roll isn’t truly rock ‘n’ roll unless it includes lyrics. There aren’t really that many standout rock ‘n’ roll albums of just instrumentals… you kinda have to get into Lalo Schifrin or John Barry territory… which isn’t that genre… kinda more jazz… before it becomes acceptable. I don’t know… life is really tough and I think people need melancholy to make them feel like they are not alone. I don’t consider myself the greatest songwriter or vocalist… I would even debate whether I am competent at it. However, it is undeniably challenging, and that is what I find addictive. When everything comes together which is rare, like on a song from my upcoming album “Riding The Light,” it feels amazing. It’s like I am doing what they did and to me it is just as good. At some point, I would like to find more of a balance between lyrics and sound. One of my favourite records, Talk Talk’s “Spirit of Eden,” uses sound for suspense and texture, yet it remains highly engaging. Perhaps that is an even greater challenge.
TSoFDs: On the topic of classic rock and roll, do you think you’d have been better off as a musician in the 60s or 70s or even the 90s?
MICHIE: I think, first and foremost, I don’t perform live, so my approach and answer to this might differ from other artists. Regarding my sound, I believe I would have been better off releasing music in the mid-1990s, as the industry then was more focused, to some extent, around guitar-based acts and the general public wanted it… unless, of course, you were in the States, where there was a greater interest in hip-hop and all that jazz. My sound would likely have been more fitting for that era than say the 1960s… Maybe the very early 1970s would be a good fit for me as there was such a diverse amount of music coming out between 70-74. Then it turned a bit shit with stadium prog rock and overmilked disco… The 1980s was quite frankly horrific. 2000s was heroin chic which isn’t me… and since then… well… give me strength. Nevertheless, on balance, I would say that now is the perfect time for me to release music. I don’t hear many people doing what I do. No one seems to be incorporating guitar solos in tracks, and the trend has shifted from Les Pauls to cheaper Fenders. Music has zero grunt. There’s a noticeable absence of individuals creating psychedelic music with roots in the 60s and 70s… instead, it’s dominated by beige falsetto vocals and Tame Impala-style sounds. Tame Impala… I kinda get and it has had an influence on me… but everyone is on that bandwagon. I believe I have a distinctive “sound.” Perhaps there isn’t much demand for that type of music. I am happy and if people listen, they listen… if they don’t then I wish them luck with their Oasis wannabie acts… it’s no skin off my nose and they are getting something out of it. Moreover, technology is more accessible now, eliminating the need to depend solely on touring or a record label owned by someone who failed in a band themselves, putting me in debt for their gain. Nowadays, you can start uploading songs with a relatively small investment and use the internet, the greatest tool ever, to directly reach people. That is democracy and I welcome that availability. I have said this before but it really pisses me off when artists say there is too much crap being released and it’s drowning them out. Thousands of tracks a day being uploaded to streaming. You see this… so what? Your music sounded shit at one stage too… it likely still sounds shit… and these guys should be allowed to learn and grow. It is not their fault you have no fan base. We could discuss the financial aspects and the questionable practices of Spotify, the reality is that the money has always been pretty piss poor… I don’t think I would be any richer releasing in the 1970s as now.
TSoFDs: Have you ever performed live and would you be open to performing live in future?
MICHIE: I’ve never performed live, except for busking once in London while incredibly drunk at about 1am in the morning. To be honest, that was fun, but overall, I don’t believe there’s much money in performing live unless you’re involved in event organisation. Building a fan base yes but that is not a guarantee… From what I’ve seen from people who have toured, it seems to be a significant financial burden… especially now with inflation etc… Getting a 30-minute slot at the arse end of the country in some dive and being paid £50 doesn’t fill me joy. I also have concerns about ear damage, spending time in a van with a group of guys who you have to make artistic compromises with. Personally, I would prefer to gradually upgrade my equipment and concentrate on the production side. We all have different aspects of the industry that interest us, but it’s the behind-the-scenes work that interests me. Kinda why I write for a music blog… but at the end of the day… it is all about the studio… pissing around for hours and seeing what sounds I can make… I really do not care if I am missing out on reaching a group of people who still find fun going to music festivals and squatting over a chemical toilet… I understand there’s an expectation that musicians should perform live, but I suspect many artists wouldn’t if they weren’t tied to the ball and chain of a record label and could just create… Plus I have two cats I need to look after… Family first.
TSoFDs: What bits and pieces have you got your eye on equipment wise?
MICHIE: Ah, man, how much time do you have? I’ve got a list as long as my arm, and I also struggle with having expensive tastes. This means that purchases aren’t as frequent as I’d like. I’m still debating whether I’ll release my next album as a vinyl run. A grand and a half means I am making a big dint in Gibson Custom price bracket. Opportunity cost and all that… I’m eyeing a Gibson ES-355, which, in an ideal world, will be my next purchase since I’m lacking a semi-acoustic, preferably a Custom Shop of course. Same goes for a Gibson Firebird for the Keith Richards vibes… man they are sexy guitars… I’m a bit of a snob when it comes to guitars, and something cheap made in Mexico, Korea, or China won’t cut it plus they don’t hold value. I picked up a Les Paul Custom a few years back and it has over doubled in value… kinda a no brainer. Plus, the wood these guitars are made out of are getting close to being banned so its kinda do it when you can. I wouldn’t turn down a J-200 or a J-45 either. Love me a Rickenbacker Bass. There are plenty of other things I’d like, such as a reel-to-reel tape machine, sitar, zither, violin, and so on. Anything that makes a sound, I’m interested in. Music is a never ending and very expensive hobby… like you have the world of effects pedals, software and all the room treatment stuff, mics etc. I literally could blow a million quid on music and only have a few items and still not be satisfied at the end of the day… yes I would be that guy buying the 100k Les Paul.
TSoFDs: The cost involved in investing in your craft compared to how difficult it is to earn money from recordings rather begs the question, how the hell do we get streaming companies to pay more per stream? Or indeed anything at all…
MICHIE: Ah man… I am going to let rip here… fucking hell… There are a few issues here. Firstly, they have the money… they have it. Don’t be fooled by the creative accounting, owning offices that rack up losses to manipulate their tax returns and all that jazz. They have the money. When the wealthiest people in Sweden are the top brass of Spotify, they have the money. When that bald git Ek is casually investing large sums in weapons companies, they have the money. When the owner of Deezer is also the owner of Warner and happens to be one of Putin’s mates and ain’t on a sanctions list, they have the money. Wonder who he has been donating large sums of money to avoid that one? When Tidal is owned by Jack Dorsey, who flogged Twitter to that muppet Elon at a significantly inflated price, they have the money. I am a bit sick of these rich dudes getting richer and saying they have fuck all for the rest of us… Fucking hell… Thatcher and Reagan have been dead a long fucking while… how is their legacy treating you? Have your fucking kids moved out yet to their own house? Open your eyes… The issue here then becomes actual legislation to create a system that protects musicians. Until we make our voices heard by writing to our representatives, which I have done, the industry will continue to enjoy pissing on our strawberries. If someone comes to me and, in a stupid voice, insisting that “these rich white dudes really don’t have the money,” managing to provide this elusive proof, the issue is then getting people to actually pay what the music is worth. I’m sorry, but $9.99 won’t cut it for access to all the music ever made. Then they’ll say, “Oh, we can’t afford that.” Well, cancel your fucking Disney, Netflix, Paramount, Amazon, and Sky subscriptions, along with your Sky Cinema, Atlantic, and all that other shit bolted on you don’t watch. You pay for that. I’m not here to shit on streaming… I think it’s great. In terms of reach and not needing a label… However, the value that people place on it and the way these cowboys are regulated needs a little work.
TSoFDs: I think that’s a perfect place to end our conversation. Let’s leave that bit to simmer in people’s noggins. Thanks so much for your time and best of luck with the new music AND the bank busting purchases 🙂
MICHIE: Cheers!
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